I just stood up for my legal rights at work the other night. The place where I work is the most unsecure place on the planet. A wide open field has more security than my workplace. Only one guard for the entire plant and he's only at the front entrance. There are about 20 other doors that should really only be used for emergency but are left unlocked with no alarms on them so anyone can come in and out totally undetected at any time of the night. They also seem to love storing their inventory OUTSIDE in the PARKING LOT!

And they wonder why things get stolen. Apparently the other night someone stole a bunch of tools, from what I hear. So when it was time for my break on Thursday night I got in my truck to go to the store. I get stopped by the guard who has a line of two cars already pulled off to the side of the parking lot. I see him look in the other guy's windows and the dude pops his trunk and the guard looks in it!

I thought to myself, "NO way is he searching my vehicle." Hell, COPS have no legal right to search your vehicle unless they have 1) Probably Cause 2) Permission from you or 3) A search warrent.

So he comes up to my truck. I roll down my windows and say, "What's up?"

He says, "Do you have a dome light?"

I said, "Yup. I sure do."

"Can you turn it on for me?"

"Nope."

"Why not?"

"Why do you want me to turn on my dome light?"

"I need to search everyone's car as they leave to make sure they're not stealing anything."

"Well, I happen to know that even the POLICE don't have the right to search anyone's vehicle unless they have probable cause, permission or a search warrent. So if you suspect that I am stealing stuff then I suggest you have a meeting with HR, have them call the police and have them get a warrent. Otherwise you have no reason to search my vehicle and you do not have my permission. Now excuse me. I'm on break and am in a little bit of a hurry."

I pulled away from him and the other line of cars and there was nothing he could really do to begin with. I later talked with him and he said he hates having to do this and I told him it was nothing personal but he is actually violating people's personal rights by doing so. He's just lucky that people are giving up their rights to be searched by someone who lacks the authority to really do it to begin with. I told him that he doesn't really know me very well but I don't give up my rights for anything.

The next day the same guard and another one were at the entrance and when they saw me coming they didn't try to stop me. It's always an adventure in Itallian Land.

If their that darn fired up to catch people stealing, then tell them to install some cameras in the place that watch the valuble stuff when the place has its next shutdown and don't tell folks

It would be alot easier to have the so called guards watch the tapes and catch folks ripping off the place when no one thinks they are watching rather then making the guards search vehicles

Yeah or maybe lock the doors. That would be the thing that would...oh I dont know...MAKE SENSE! So that's why they won't do it.

Technically its not a search Wesley. If its in plain view thats not considered a search. He can not require you to open the trunk or look through anything. Telling you to turn the dome light on does fringe on invading your rights. But before you go off on a tangent please realize that anything that can be seen by walking past your vehicle or looking in the windows is considered plain view. Now different states have different laws about what is considered the proper way to search and such but they all withhold the Plain View criteria. And certain employers do have the right to search certain items. When I worked for General Motors we could require them to open lunch pails. Nothing else. They used walk past each day with the pails open. I didn't even have to ask. I'm sure if they were stealing they were putting it into purses and gym bags which we couldn't search. Sounds like you find controversey everywhere you go. I'm sure the guard was doing what he was told to do and not attacking you personally.

I also doubt their nationality, Italian, is the reason you were requested to do what they asked. My fiance is Italian and I resent the little racist remarks you make. If you want to be a bigot do it in your own journal.

I know he wasn't attacking me personally but he was asking me to submit to an illegal search. No one has the right to invade your privacy. I have read up on the 4th ammendment and understand the plain view clause. But if he can't see in to the truck without the dome light it's not in plain view. And he certainly wouldn't be searching through my truck box. That's not in plain view.

http://www.neonjoint.com/your_rights/police_faq.html
"As a general rule, searches conducted without a warrant are automatically unreasonable and hence violate the Fourth Amendment."

"5. Isn’t refusing to let the police search me an admission of guilt?

No. If a police officer asks your permission to search, you are under no obligation to consent. The only reason he’s asking you is because he doesn’t have enough evidence to search without your consent. If you consent to a search request you give up one of the most important constitutional rights you have -- your Fourth Amendment protection against unreasonable consent."

"6. If I’m not doing anything illegal, why shouldn’t I let the police search me?

The sad fact is that most people believe that they are under some kind of obligation to acquiesce when an officer contacts them and asks permission to search them or their belongings.

The truth is the exact opposite -- you have a right to associate with, and speak to, whomever you please. In this respect, there is nothing special about a police officer. Assuming you would not let a complete stranger look through your purse or search your pockets, why would you allow a police officer to do so -- especially if you’re doing nothing illegal? "

Now, the same applies to security guards, although in a slightly different way. Guards though, can not exceed the law and can not force you to give up your Constitutionally Protected rights.

Period. I'm not going out of my way to find controversy. I am merely standing up to my rights as a citizen of this country. The minute you give them permission to do a search it becomes legal whether it's a cop or a guard. If they have to ASK you to do a search then they have no warrent and that means their request is unreasonable.

Blocked...

I really don't care if you block me or not.
Find the actual state statue for your state and post it. Not something you dug up on the internet because you don't have any drama going on in your life.
Back it with the real deal.
We already lost a valued member a long time ago due to you having to be shockingly morbid several times. No you want to start some tangent on a racial level because the world isn't perfect for you?

Thats part of what I was alluding to when I mentioned the lunch pails. To many people get online and think they are attorneys now just because they can click a link that should have a disclaimer that the information might not be accurate. First thing to check would be the state statue to find out if his rights were violated then the companies rules and regulations. Turning a light on does not constitue an illegal search.

I didn't say everyone was happy with everything I post.
I just think its funny how he is always angry and going off like a know it all. I have a criminal justice degree and I work at a Police Station. I'm not trying to say I know it all but the rules of evidence are pretty universal, but they do differ that is why I suggested he check his state statue.

And I hope we are a better bunch of people than the type to start with racial slurs when we are angered by something. I'm sure Harold wouldn't like his board degrading to that. I simply asked him to take it else where. Harold has said he wanted a "Family friendly" board and I don't think blaming someones race for their actions friendly.

There are trashy people of all ages, races, genders, etc. We have started fresh since the removal of the private forumn and I don't think we need to start fighting again.

And on the issue of how often I post, its up to you if you want to read it or not. Post count doesn't mean as much as it did at the place you profess to hate.

edit: Does my multiple posting make it okay for people to act like bigots?
2ND EDIT:I'm at work so I have to read posts fast. I just reread your post. In it you say some of you almost left last time I did this??? I thought we were starting fresh. And as far as doing anything. I haven't done anything besides ask for the racist crap to stop. If a bunch of you want to be a bunch of bigots I say "don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you"

Not this again. It's getting rather old. If you have a problem then take it up with Harold. Otherwise, please shut up. That's as simple as I can make it. This is getting pretty ridiculous. If you want to respond about how it is wrong of me telling you to shut up, then okay. So be it. Take that up with Harold as well. I'm just tired of this crap.

I will take it up with Harold. This is alot different than before and I mean alot. I don't care who is angry at me. I'm not doing anything besides trying to keep people from spreading their racist views here. I would hope that I haven't unknowingly been part of a racist community as long as I have. I'm suprised that my request for some decentcy *sp error has turned into an attack towards me. It really shows the mentality here.

Well, did you start out with a private message between you and Wesley as to show how you feel about what he said instead of doing it out in the public?

I forgot , you have that HALO hovering above your head ......LOL
All I am saying is you just look for BS to start with wesley , its like your trying to run him off every chance you get .
WOW , posting from work , good to see your giving your employer a full honest days work !
And thats exactly why I usually dont post in your threads , not worth my time.
Calling the kettle black , what about your thread about OLD people and how they make you mad ..BLA < BLA <BLA.
Why dont you heed what YOU TYPE for everyone else !!!!
If you dont like it , dont post yourself !!!
I think I may speek for several here on this one !!!
Go take a cold shower on company time why your at it .

Maybe that is one way I could have handled it. I was probably wrong in the way I handled it but I am still shocked that as a group it seems a few of you aren't bothered by the racisism at all and are more bothered by not liking me. I think I've laid off alot and have been generally trying to make an effort to be nice. It just hurts me that a group I liked would condone this. And yes in the past when I have been angry I have posted alot. But Today I'm more sad and disappointed than angry.

It's not your "probably wrong way" you seem to always take this approach, even after several times of it being confronted with it being the wrong way. So whatever.